The argument, collected
Four days of Shedeur Sanders
Sunday afternoon in Tampa to Wednesday night. Two enormous groups of people, one stat line, and no
version of this week in which anybody hears anybody.
Compiled from X, from two shows and from the reply columns underneath both, September 20–23,
2026. Engagement figures are as they stood Wednesday at 11 p.m. ET. Handles and posts are fiction.
Cleveland won 54–14 in Tampa on Sunday afternoon. By eight that night the timeline had stopped arguing
about the football game.
Through two weeks Shedeur Sanders has completed 46 of 59 throws for 603 yards, four touchdowns and nothing to
the other team. He is first in the league in completion percentage, first in passer rating, first in yards per
attempt. Last season he made seven starts, threw seven touchdowns against ten interceptions and finished with a
Total QBR of 18.9, which sits fifth from the bottom of the 696 qualifying seasons ESPN keeps on file. Jacksonville
and Tampa Bay are a combined 0–4. Tampa has given up more points than any team in football.
What follows is four days of people using those numbers at each other.
Sunday evening · the post everybody quoted
The line went out from a league stats account at 4:52, about eleven minutes after the fourth quarter ended,
and by Wednesday night it had been quoted 3,100 times. The replies under it are an argument. The quotes are
where the jokes went, and where the knives went, and a good share of the people holding either one had watched
about nine minutes of the game on a phone in a bar.
Sunday, September 204:52 p.m. ET · 3,142 quotes
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NFL Research@NFLResearch4:52 PM
Shedeur Sanders, first two games of 2026:
46-of-59
603 yards
4 TD
0 INT
NFL rank: 1st in completion percentage, 1st in passer rating (131.8), 1st in yards per attempt (10.2).
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Ricky Oates@rickyoates19695:04 PM
Combined record of the two defenses: 0-4. Post that one.
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Jon Halvorsen@jhalvorsen_445:11 PM
every quarterback who ever lived has beaten a bad team. you have to beat a good one. thats the entire job
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stat padding
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Kayla Burch@kaylaburch_5:22 PM
whats yards per attempt
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Priya Raghunathan@AllTwentyTwo_5:26 PM
yards divided by throws. so ten point two means the average pass he throws gains ten yards. league average is about seven. it is a good stat and it is two games old
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Mark@Mark_22516:40 PM
Facts
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The quote tweetsSunday 5 p.m. – Monday 2 a.m.
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Will Prokop@westsidewill_5:31 PM
the fifth round
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NFL Research@NFLResearchShedeur Sanders, first two games of 2026: 46-of-59, 603 yards, 4 TD, 0 INT...
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Brad Seeley@bradseeley775:44 PM
Jacksonville and Tampa Bay have not won a football game between them. Sanders has played eight quarters against two teams that are 0-4 and you people are typing the word elite. Wait until October. That is all anyone is asking.
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NFL Research@NFLResearchShedeur Sanders, first two games of 2026: 46-of-59, 603 yards, 4 TD, 0 INT...
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North Coast Nonsense@NorthCoastNonsense5:58 PM
BREAKING: The Cleveland Browns have opened the quarterback competition. Sanders, Gabriel and Green will split first-team reps Wednesday. Nick Mansour said the decision was made Sunday night after reviewing the tape with his father, who does not watch football and told him it looked fine.
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Michael Haggerty@MichaelHaggerty46:02 PM
Genuine question and I am not being smart. Who is the last quarterback who led the league in all three of those and turned out to be nobody? I cannot think of one and I have been watching since 1994. #NFL
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Shawn Bilecky@SteelCityShawn6:15 PM
Congratulations to Cleveland on the two best weeks any Browns quarterback has had since 1999. October 1 is a Thursday and we will be there.
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REAL FOOTBALL TAKES@realestfootball_6:31 PM
HE CANT READ A DEFENSE. HE HAS NEVER READ A DEFENSE. THE SCHEME IS READING IT FOR HIM. YOU PEOPLE DONT WATCH FOOTBALL YOU WATCH BOX SCORES
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Brandi Cofer@BengalsBrandi6:49 PM
bengals are also 2-0 and nobody has said one word to me all day. i am fine. i am completely fine
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Tony Kalis@tonyk_cle7:12 PM
Two years. Two years of hearing he cant process, he cant drive the ball, he is a system guy, he only got drafted because of the name. He is first in the league in three things and the same accounts are now doing opponent quality. I have the receipts saved in a folder
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Sarah Novak@sarah_novak228:20 PM
I have no dog in this and I watched the whole second half. He is fun. That is all I have. Everyone please be nice to each other tonight
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Nate DelVecchio@nate_delvecchio11:47 PM
it is eleven forty seven at night and i have been arguing with a man in ohio about a quarterback i do not care about and i have work at six
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Will Prokop@westsidewill_11:58 PM
it was me
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Nate DelVecchio@nate_delvecchio12:03 AM
i know
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Sunday night · two rooms
There are two large groups of people here and neither one of them is being stupid.
The first group has the 2025 file open. Seven starts, seven touchdowns, ten interceptions, a Total QBR that
finished fifth-worst out of 696. That is four hundred and something snaps of a quarterback playing badly, watched
live, by people who were not enjoying it. They have been told all week that two games erased it. They do not think
two games erase anything, and when they say the schedule was Jacksonville and Tampa Bay they are describing the
schedule.
The second group has been reading about this man since he was 21. They watched a fifth-round pick get more
television time than the first round got. They watched a draft weekend covered as a humiliation. They have been
told he was arrogant, that he interviewed badly, that he would sink whichever building took him, and by people who
had never met him. They are not making a football argument this week and most of them would say so. They are done.
Both groups are enormous. Each of them has spent two years deciding the other one argues in bad faith.
Sunday night into MondayTwo reply columns, four hours apart
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DeShawn Palmer@deshawnpalmer39:15 PM
I watched every snap of last season. Every one. He was late on everything and he wore it, and eight days ago in Jacksonville he took four sacks and most of them were his own doing. Nobody has explained to me what changed except the two teams. If somebody explains it I will listen
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Alec Sundberg@ThirdAndLong229:31 PM
three of those five linemen are somewhere else now and the coordinator is somewhere else and the head coach is somewhere else. thats what changed. it is not a mystery
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DeShawn Palmer@deshawnpalmer39:36 PM
Thats a real answer and I still think two games is two games
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@jt_22889:52 PM
four sacks eight days ago and everybody has already dropped it funny how that works
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Marie Dempsey@mariedempsey10:44 PM
He took one sack today
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Kelly Murphy@kmurphy198710:02 PM
I am not going to pretend I know what a two high safety look is. I know that my kids and my husband and half my unit were watching a Browns game on a Sunday afternoon in September and nobody was miserable. That has not happened in this house in a very long time
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Ryan Whitmer@cle_sportsguy4410:26 PM
people saying tampa is bad, tampa has vita vea. six tackles for loss on us today. we ran it 29 times for 84 yards, there was nothing there all afternoon, and our guy still went 26 of 35 with a man in his lap
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Brad Seeley@bradseeley7710:33 PM
You ran it 29 times for 84 yards and they still sat off you and let him throw it. That is a defense that had made up its mind about which way it was going to lose. Nobody should be flattered by that.
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Mike Anderson@mkanderson7310:40 PM
The front seven is not the coverage. Tampa does not employ a defensive coordinator, which I only learned this afternoon and which I would encourage everyone to sit with for a moment.
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Linda Petrarca@LindaInStrongsville11:20 PM
Whatever anyone wants to say about this young man he has been nothing but respectful every single time I have seen him speak and I raised three boys. #Browns #DawgPound #Sheduer #Cleveland
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Brian Dolan@BrianD_21611:41 PM
Shedeur
2012
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Linda Petrarca@LindaInStrongsville11:52 PM
Thank you Brian! #Browns
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Monday · what the hate looks like
The ugly end of this is not clever and it does not pretend to be. It runs on moving the standard, on refusing
to grant a number, and on the family, and it has been running since April of last year without a day off.
On Monday morning somebody put four of the same account’s posts in one screenshot, in order — a
preseason post saying wait until the regular season, a September post saying wait until he plays a defense that
game-plans him, a Week 1 post saying wait until Tampa, and Sunday’s post saying wait until Pittsburgh. The
screenshot did 61,000 likes. The account did not delete anything and did not go quiet. It got louder, which is what
these accounts do, and by Monday night it had a new date on the calendar.
Monday, September 21The screenshot, and the week after it
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No Context NFL@NoContextNFL_8:41 AM
august 14: wait for the regular season
sept 8: wait until he plays a defense that game plans for him
sept 14: wait until tampa
yesterday: wait until pittsburgh
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REAL FOOTBALL TAKES@realestfootball_8:49 AM
KEEP WATCHING. OCTOBER 1. THURSDAY NIGHT. WRITE IT DOWN AND COME BACK TO ME
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Terrance Boyd@coach_terrance_9:02 AM
I coach high school and I tell my kids all the time, if you keep moving the target you were never grading anybody you were just deciding
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who cares
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@jt_228811:16 AM
32 teams passed on him five times each. 160 chances. every scouting department in america agreed on one thing and you think they were all wrong and a youtuber was right
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gm of nothing@gm_of_nothing12:04 PM
nobody wants to say it so ill say it. he was never a prospect. he was a package. the name, the show, the cameras, the whole family business. cleveland bought the package because the coach is 28 and needed a story and the story is going to end the exact way the last one ended
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Mitch Zeleski@MuniLotMitch12:31 PM
what package included 603 yards
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gm of nothing@gm_of_nothing12:38 PM
against 0-4
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Dan Kovacic@DanFromParma1:02 PM
MY FATHER BOUGHT THESE SEATS IN 1979 AND I HAVE WATCHED EVERY QUARTERBACK THIS TEAM HAS PUT ON THE FIELD SINCE AND YOU WILL NOT COME IN HERE AND TELL ME WHAT I WATCHED YESTERDAY
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@user_661203881:14 PM
calm down grandpa
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Jayden Hollis@jaydenhollis__2:20 PM
the dad ran a college program into the ground, took the money, went to tv, and now hes got a whole nfl fanbase doing his marketing for him for free. its the greatest hustle in the history of american sports and yall fell for it because the kid completed some passes to nobody
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Buffs Daily@CUBuffsDaily2:34 PM
He took over a team that went 1-11 the year before he got there and had them at 9-4 in year two. Say whatever you want about him but stop saying that one, it is just not true.
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Jayden Hollis@jaydenhollis__2:41 PM
cool. hustle
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Sarah Novak@sarah_novak223:30 PM
im begging one of you to talk about the quarterback and not the quarterbacks dad. one of you. anybody
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@jt_22884:11 PM
because he made it about the father for four years
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Bryce Waldron@bwaldron_sports5:48 PM
Ask yourselves why the youngest head coach in the history of this league was handed a franchise in the same offseason that a fifth round quarterback with a famous last name was handed a starting job. Nobody has asked. I have been asking since January and my reach has been throttled ever since.
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Readers added context they thought people might want to know
Cleveland named Shedeur Sanders its Week 1 starter this month, after a training-camp competition that also
included Dillon Gabriel and Taylen Green. No outside involvement in the decision has been reported by any
outlet.
Do you find this helpful?
That layer is small and it is loud, and the people arguing with it all day gave it a bigger afternoon than it
had earned on its own. A decent share of the accounts in it do not follow the Browns, have not watched a Browns
game this season, and turned up under the stat post because the stat post came to them.
Monday night · what the love looks like
The other side is not measured either. Nobody in it is claiming to have charted anything, and it would be a
strange thing to ask them for. What they have is two Sundays, a phone, and two years of being told they were
idiots.
Monday nightUnder the highlight account, and under the graphic
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Dawg Pound HQ@TheDawgPoundHQ6:15 PMFan account
TOP 5 QUARTERBACK IN THE NATIONAL FOOTBALL LEAGUE. PERIOD. LIKE IF YOU AGREE AND WATCH THE HATERS SHOW UP IN 10 MINUTES
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Josh Behrend@jbehrend_116:22 PM
over mahomes?
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Dawg Pound HQ@TheDawgPoundHQ6:24 PMFan account
RIGHT NOW TODAY THIS SEASON? YES. AND I WILL SAY IT LOUDER
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Eddie Mora@eddiemora_2166:41 PM
he sees the whole field now. thats the difference. last year he was locked on one guy and now hes reading the whole thing
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Brad Seeley@bradseeley776:58 PM
What was Tampa in on the touchdown to Boston
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Eddie Mora@eddiemora_2167:03 PM
they were in a defense bro. boston boxed the corner out and went and got it. you can watch it yourself its on the internet
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they were in a defense
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Cleveland Sports Daily@CLEsportsdaily7:35 PM
Shedeur Sanders currently leads the NFL in passing yards through two weeks. Thoughts?
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Bo Nix leads the NFL with 849 passing yards through two weeks. Shedeur Sanders has 603. Sanders leads the
league in completion percentage, passer rating and yards per attempt.
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Doug Freitag@DawgPoundDoug8:04 PM
Every analyst in this country owes this kid an apology and I want to hear it in their own voices on their own shows and I do not want to hear the word sample
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Tasha Tremont@tashatremont8:22 PM
my son is 9 and he asked for the number 2 jersey for his birthday in november and i have never once heard him ask for a browns anything so thats where we are in this house
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PRIME TIME FOREVER@primetimeforever29:10 PM
In a fair draft he goes first overall and everybody in this country knows it. They let that boy sit there for three days in front of the whole country to send a message and the message got received and now LOOK. 🙏🙏
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Ryan Whitmer@cle_sportsguy449:44 PM
anybody bringing up opponent quality this week has an agenda. thats it. thats the post. you had two years to be right and you were not
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Mitch Zeleski@MuniLotMitch10:02 PM
hes playing like burrow did as a rookie honestly. same calm
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The Mansour Archive@MansourArchive10:31 PM
March 2025, 41 minutes in. "I have him as my QB2 in this class and I think the accuracy travels. I could be wrong about the pocket." Timestamped, still up, never edited.
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Scott Nagy@ohbrother_scott10:52 PM
the supercut is fourteen minutes long and this clip is not in it. i am aware. i put it together.
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Tuesday morning · television
By Tuesday the segment had been booked everywhere, and the two men least interested in arriving anywhere were
the two men with the biggest microphones. Skip Bayless spent nine minutes of his own Tuesday show on it, alone,
and gave the quarterback everything and the head coach nothing.
The Skip Bayless ShowTuesday, September 22, 2026 · clipped at 2:14, 4.1M views by Wednesday night
BaylessFifty-seven of seventy-seven. I want to sit in that for a second because nobody
else in this business will. Forty-six of fifty-nine, four touchdowns, no interceptions, and I have watched
a network full of people spend forty-eight hours telling me about the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. I did not ask you
about the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. I asked you about the quarterback.
I said in April of last year that this young man was a franchise quarterback. I said it while this entire
sport spent three days on national television telling him no. I said it in July, I said it in August, and I have
not softened it once, and
this morning I am going further than I have ever gone. He is the best quarterback in the American Football
Conference right now, today. Not the future. Today.
And here is where you people lose me. Because the same crowd that will not credit him wants to hand the boy
in the headset a game ball for calling it. He did not throw it. He has never thrown it. He has never stood in a
huddle in his life and he never will. There is a quarterback doing that in Cleveland and there is a young man in a
headset next to him getting the parade, and one day this sport is going to wake up and realize which of the two
was carrying the other one.
A producer put Tampa Bay’s defensive numbers on the screen behind him in the second half hour and the take got bigger.
Stephen A. Smith did twelve minutes on his radio show without conceding an inch of Cleveland, because the
Buccaneers were the available target and he took them instead. “A team that was favored to win that
division, in that stadium, with that quarterback,” he said, “has surrendered eighty-six points in two
weeks and does not employ a defensive coordinator. Eighty-six! Do not come to me about Shedeur Sanders. Come to me
about Todd Bowles.”
Both clips did their numbers and neither one moved anybody. The people who like Sanders posted the Bayless
clip. The people who do not posted the Smith clip. The two clips are about different subjects.
Tuesday · the people trying to say something true
Derrik Klassen has been writing about quarterbacks for a decade and came up the long way, through the
outlets and then the scouting department, which is the same climb the head coach in Cleveland skipped. He posted
four sentences on Tuesday afternoon.
Tuesday, September 22The island, and the tide
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Derrik Klassen@QBKlass1:26 PM
Tampa sat in two-high almost the whole afternoon and dared him to take the underneath. He took it on rhythm, every rep, and he did not hold the ball. He could not do that last year. It is also the easiest version of the job.
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Ryan Whitmer@cle_sportsguy441:39 PM
"easiest version of the job" there it is. couldnt make it four sentences without the agenda
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@jt_22881:44 PM
so a checkdown merchant. thank you for confirming what everyone has said for two years
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Derrik Klassen@QBKlass1:51 PM
It's the same post. You're both quoting half of it.
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Kayla Burch@kaylaburch_2:30 PM
whats two high
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Will Prokop@westsidewill_3:12 PM
easiest version of the job
Tampa sat in two-high almost the whole afternoon and dared him to take the underneath...
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Ellis Traeger@yinzerdefense4:05 PM
Steelers fans, I know what week it is. Tampa has given up more points than anybody in football and has nobody calling that defense. That does not make the Cleveland quarterback bad. It means we find out on a Thursday in eight days like everybody else.
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Shawn Bilecky@SteelCityShawn4:19 PM
Ellis. Whose account is this. Whose account.
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browns fan in a steelers hat
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Dan Kovacic@DanFromParma5:40 PM
we dont want him either pal
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Derrik Klassen@QBKlass6:44 PM
New piece up on the two-high stuff Cleveland has seen through two weeks and what a defense with a plan would do about it instead. Link below.
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The four sentences did 900 likes. Three words lifted out of them did 22,000. Klassen wrote 2,600 words on the
same subject that evening and thirty-one people liked the post about it.
Tuesday night · his father
Deion Sanders did not post anything about Sunday. He posted nothing on Monday either, and on Tuesday he
reposted the team’s graphic of the passing leaders and added no words to it, and several thousand people
read the silence as a statement and could not agree on which one.
He is in this whether he types or not. He is the reason a share of the country knows the quarterback’s
name and he is the reason a share of the country decided about him in 2023. The two of them arrived within an
hour of each other on Tuesday night.
Tuesday nightUnder a repost with no caption
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PRIME TIME FOREVER@primetimeforever27:02 PM
He hasnt said a word in three days. Thats a father who already knows. 🙏
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Jayden Hollis@jaydenhollis__7:26 PM
he hasnt said a word in three days because the kid played two teams that are 0-4 and even he knows to wait. hes the smartest man in this whole thing and yall never give him credit for the one thing hes actually good at
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Tasha Tremont@tashatremont7:50 PM
imagine being a 24 year old man doing your job well and every single conversation about it is about your dad
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@jt_22888:04 PM
he named himself after him
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Mitch Zeleski@MuniLotMitch8:31 PM
his father named him
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whatever
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Buffs Daily@CUBuffsDaily9:14 PM
Four years of this. Four. Every good thing he does gets handed to his last name and every bad thing gets handed to him personally. We watched it happen in Boulder for three seasons and now we get to watch a whole new fanbase find out.
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Brian Dolan@BrianD_2169:48 PM
He came to camp in July, sat with the coach, said almost nothing about football and left. That is the entire record of him being around this team and people have written six thousand words about it.
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Kevin Ranshaw@whodey_kev10:30 PM
cincinnati is also 2-0 and our quarterback did not need a documentary crew
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Wednesday
Wednesday was the day the argument ran out of new material and kept going anyway. The stat post from Sunday was
still being quoted at lunchtime. A morning show ran a graphic with the two seasons side by side, 2025 on the left
and 2026 on the right, and both camps posted the same graphic within an hour of each other with opposite captions.
Nobody in any of this changed position between Sunday afternoon and Wednesday night. Four people said a version
of the same small thing — that they were watching, that they were not saying anything else yet — and
three of them were quote-tweeted for it by somebody who wanted more.
Cleveland plays Carolina at home on Sunday and Pittsburgh at home eleven days from now, on a Thursday, in
front of the whole country. Everybody involved has already agreed that is the week it gets settled. They agreed
the same thing about Tampa.
Wednesday, September 23Late
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Alec Sundberg@ThirdAndLong226:20 PM
i dont know what this is yet. im watching it. thats the whole post and im aware its a bad post
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Jon Halvorsen@jhalvorsen_449:41 PM
october 1
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Kayla Burch@kaylaburch_11:02 PM
ok so i looked it up. two high means two safeties deep. it took me four days to ask and eleven seconds to find out and i am not going to be normal about football ever again
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@user883729111:44 PM
stat padding
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